Yet another response to a thread at HangzhouExpat.com, a thread intentionally incendiary by asking “Chinese People … Why Do You Love Your Country?“, subtitled with, since your government allows you no freedom of speech and kills its own people, etc.
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I can’t even begin to explain how pointlessly f*cking stupid the premise of this whole topic is. At the expense of exacting warmly welcomed verbal vengeance, I will let my vitriol fly.
The opening call for debate on this thread reads:
“Chinese people say they love China. Why? How can you love a country that arrests people for speaking their mind?”
What then ensues is an 8-page monologue of merry HangzhouExpat.com-ers b*tching and wh*ning about the same exact sh*t and “party line” as what we’re all brainwashed with back home on CNN and BCC with anything related to China. Not so different in the same way people are brainwashed here.
1. Allow me to rephrase Fu Man Chu‘s hamfisted call for response: “Hey, Chinese dumbf*ck, your government AND your country (because, of course, as you stated, these two entities–widely differing by definition and interpretation–are inseparable) treats you like donkey sh*t. So, yeah, why do you love it?”
And so, what type of response did you actually expect? You’ve already severely narrowed down their range of answers. It’s like asking, “Which one do you like–A or B–but A’s really bad, worse, no “infinitely worse” (as you yourself stated)? So tell me, A or B?” Well, you really haven’t given them any other choice but to agree with you, now have you?
Perhaps a question to ask yourself is this: Why do you feel the need to post on HangzhouExpat.com in search of “local” responses that you’ve very obviously expected to validate the opinion you already hold? This is not a debate, nor an open-minded topic. This is simply a pointless self-exercise in political masturbation.
2. Why would any sensible local Chinese person want to debate you on this topic on little dipsh*t website HangzhouExpat.com, in YOUR language?
That point has been repeated on this forum countless numbers of times. How culturally arrogant is that in and of itself? If you truly want to discuss the merits and drawbacks of LIFE IN CHINA, then why wouldn’t you post your topic on a CHINESE forum?
I’ve tried this myself, albeit unsuccessfully because of the wrong wording getting my posts deleted by admin, but I’ll offer you this: If you reword your question–as I believe that deep down, there is merit to asking it–I will post it on Sina.com for you and see what responses you get.
There are so many other lame points and poor logic throughout this 8-page moanfest I’ve yet to bash, but to sum it all up, I’ve been on this site for a long, damn time, and honestly, I’m ashamed that so many of you would actually support and condone such culturally arrogant thinking.
There comes a point in every China expat’s life when they may or may not become disgruntled enough to simply bicker all the time about the sh*ttiness of life here and go on and on and on about how life is so much better elsewhere. It’s at the point that, well, maybe it’s time for a move. And Fu Man Chu, I’ve seen you here on this forum for about a year and a half now (correct me if I’m wrong, but often that’s about how long it takes for most to reach the ‘disgruntledness’ phase), and I don’t say this as a threat or anything remotely hostile. I say this from the perspective of helping you keep your own sanity and allowing newbies and veterans alike to form their own opinions of their experiences here.
I think it was Niku who made one of the more interesting rebuttals here. He’s a businessman, and thus cultural understanding and assimilation was a necessity for his survival here.
For those of us who are English teachers or work in that industry, myself included, this is not the case. We are imparters of the world’s most widely used language and the culture that comes with that, ‘cultural ambassadors‘ as LFA called it, and thus are much more prone to cultural arrogance. We tell local people how to speak, how to listen, how to think, how we think they should live. For us, we have almost no obligation to culturally assimilate, no strong need to even bother learning the local language past a basic needs level. And so, we can easily stand on our pedestals and shout down to our pupils to tell them what’s wrong with their lives, their government, their country, their history, their identity. And the next morning, we can continue pushing our language opiate unto the great populace of China.
Because they need us. And they pay us to give them their fix. And as their dealer, you feel you can condescend anonymously behind the closed doors of our humble little dipsh*t forum without any sort of consequence whatsoever to your livelihood or your daily social interactions. Just imagine if all your students found out their teacher, Fu Man Chu (and I don’t think I have to expound on the racist implications of the moniker you’ve chosen for yourself) was talking sh*t about their country on the internet.
Think about that for a moment.
Then again, don’t. This is all just one way of looking at it. Up to you to take it into consideration or not.
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And the only public response received from that was, disappointingly:
Fu Man Chu: (Yes, this is actually what this guy dubs himself. While living in China.)
Ming – I thing CBR did a great job at responding to your comment before it was even posted. All I’m looking for is some Chinese input. You seem to have placed yourself in the role of paternalistic protector of the dignity of the Chinese people. I prefer to believe they can think for themselves. If you think the thread is stupid, then f*ck off.
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And later on down the line …
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Originally posted by Fu Man Chu
Timeline of this Thread -
1. Question put forward.
2. A few foreigners contemplate the question.
3. A couple nationalist Chinese and their foreign apologists begin spitting venom.
4. Thread goes horribly off-topic.
5. Two Chinese people put forth very good answers to the question. Both are ignored by the apologists who continue to argue that Chinese people should not have to answer questions like this.
6. After longing for involvement by Chinese posters, we finally get our wish and the thread is taken over by two Chinese idiots.
7. Thread dies.
It was a nice little experiment that proved a point it wasn’t even meant to prove.
R.I.P.
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That timeline should really read more like this:
1. Hamfisted, intentionally sensationalistic, single-reply fire bomb lit and tossed.
2. A few HangzhouExpat users chime into the condescending vibe and make themselves feel all good inside about it.
3. A couple of Chinese locals who actually happen to read and use English, a foreign language to them, try, with their limited knowledge of English to do what they know best: deflect, play the blame game, then name call, and possibly tell expat posters to go home.
4. Sensible expat posters who have lived here far longer than inciters here try to write some sense into things by trying to supply an alternative point of view to inciters. (Though, I must say, CBR, I’m a bit disappointed this time ’round.)
5. Manchildren know nothing else than to label them “foreign apologists” because, wow, lo and behold, they DISAGREE with their fellow expats! The one thing they give all Chinese posters a hard time about in every single thread!
6. Thread turns into flaming war, which then temporarily gets extinguished by original poster, who then proceeds with re-lighting his fire bomb. But with earnesty this time!
7. Chinese locals who have bothered to stick around for the fight actually reply earnestly, without poison. Though, they just can’t resist throwing in another blame game reference.
8. Original poster then proceeds to racistly and personally bash every single Chinese response forthwith with acute prejudice and China-be-damned abandon, because Moderators are too busy with their day jobs to actually do anything about this site-sullying disgrace of a thread.
9. Chinese posters continue, in their mediocre English skills, to stage a defense but obviously fail against the rampant cultural circle jerk that has ensued for umpteen pages based on a close-ended question that only ever had one outcome.
Annnd, HangzhouExpat.com bears witness to yet another example that proved something, all right. Proved why this site will never transcend above cultural flame wars to achieve the its actual purpose of trying to bring locals and expats together. All because a small handful of un-moderated posters feel the need to flaunt their ignorance and arrogance.
Welcome to Beverly Hills, Hangzhou.